BASIC Engine NG USB Gamepad Issues

painintheworld

Per a previous conversation, I've been having one hell of a time getting USB gamepads to work correctly on the Orange Pi Lite or Orange Pi PC; using any recent firmware from the last couple of months (except for 287 on August 30th), and tried with a variety of power supplies (including one known to supply more than 5 amps at 12v)

I'm willing to buy new controllers, powered USB hub, a different model of H3, etc...whatever it takes 🙂 Let me know the link and I will get one on the way!
@uli advised to go to a Linux terminal and run sudo usbhid-dump. Below are the results:

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Sony SCPH-10010 connected to a USB dongle (on Amazon as ZRM&E USB Port Game Controller Converter). Results:

001:003:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631046965.099615
05 01 09 04 A1 01 A1 02 85 01 75 08 95 01 15 00
26 FF 00 81 03 75 01 95 0D 15 00 25 01 35 00 45
01 05 09 19 01 29 0D 81 02 75 01 95 03 06 00 FF
81 03 05 01 25 07 46 3B 01 75 04 95 01 65 14 09
39 81 42 65 00 75 01 95 0C 06 00 FF 81 03 15 00
26 FF 00 05 01 09 01 A1 00 75 08 95 04 15 00 15
00 15 00 35 00 35 00 46 FF 00 09 30 09 31 09 32
09 35 81 02 C0 05 01 75 08 95 27 09 01 81 02 75
08 95 30 09 01 91 02 75 08 95 30 09 01 B1 02 C0
A1 02 85 02 75 08 95 30 09 01 B1 02 C0 A1 02 85
EE 75 08 95 30 09 01 B1 02 C0 A1 02 85 FE 75 08
95 30 09 01 B1 02 C0 C0

001:002:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631046965.107150
05 01 09 02 A1 01 09 01 A1 00 05 09 19 01 29 05
15 00 25 01 95 05 75 01 81 02 95 01 75 03 81 03
05 01 09 38 15 81 25 7F 75 08 95 01 81 06 05 0C
0A 38 02 95 01 81 06 75 08 95 01 81 03 05 01 09
30 09 31 15 00 26 FF 7F 35 00 46 FF 7F 75 10 95
02 81 02 C0 C0

PowerA model 051082-FR
Results:
001:004:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631048147.161218
05 01 09 05 A1 01 15 00 25 01 35 00 45 01 75 01
95 0D 05 09 19 01 29 0D 81 02 95 03 81 01 05 01
25 07 46 3B 01 75 04 95 01 65 14 09 39 81 42 65
00 95 01 81 01 26 FF 00 46 FF 00 09 30 09 31 09
32 09 35 75 08 95 04 81 02 06 00 FF 09 20 09 21
09 22 09 23 09 24 09 25 09 26 09 27 09 28 09 29
09 2A 09 2B 95 0C 81 02 0A 21 26 95 08 B1 02 0A
21 26 91 02 26 FF 03 46 FF 03 09 2C 09 2D 09 2E
09 2F 75 10 95 04 81 02 C0

001:002:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631048147.168966
05 01 09 02 A1 01 09 01 A1 00 05 09 19 01 29 05
15 00 25 01 95 05 75 01 81 02 95 01 75 03 81 03
05 01 09 38 15 81 25 7F 75 08 95 01 81 06 05 0C
0A 38 02 95 01 81 06 75 08 95 01 81 03 05 01 09
30 09 31 15 00 26 FF 7F 35 00 46 FF 7F 75 10 95
02 81 02 C0 C0

LANDZO USB SNES type controller (on Amazon as LANDZO Raspberry Pi 3 controller)
Results:

001:005:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631048434.772259
05 01 09 04 A1 01 A1 02 75 08 95 02 15 00 26 FF
00 35 00 46 FF 00 09 30 09 31 81 02 95 03 81 01
75 01 95 04 15 00 25 01 35 00 45 01 81 01 65 00
75 01 95 0A 25 01 45 01 05 09 19 01 29 0A 81 02
06 00 FF 75 01 95 0A 25 01 45 01 09 01 81 02 C0
A1 02 75 08 95 07 46 FF 00 26 FF 00 09 02 91 02
C0 C0

001:002:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631048434.779968
05 01 09 02 A1 01 09 01 A1 00 05 09 19 01 29 05
15 00 25 01 95 05 75 01 81 02 95 01 75 03 81 03
05 01 09 38 15 81 25 7F 75 08 95 01 81 06 05 0C
0A 38 02 95 01 81 06 75 08 95 01 81 03 05 01 09
30 09 31 15 00 26 FF 7F 35 00 46 FF 7F 75 10 95
02 81 02 C0 C0

Gravis Eliminator Gamepad Pro ...ugh, it evidently has a loose wire or two. Will edit later when I get this repaired

snakebyte model # SB00566 V1.1
Results:
001:006:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631048936.547973
05 01 09 04 A1 01 A1 02 75 08 95 05 15 00 26 FF
00 35 00 46 FF 00 09 32 09 32 09 35 09 30 09 31
81 02 75 04 95 01 25 07 46 3B 01 65 14 09 39 81
42 65 00 75 01 95 0C 25 01 45 01 05 09 19 01 29
0C 81 02 06 00 FF 75 01 95 08 25 01 45 01 09 01
81 02 C0 A1 02 75 08 95 04 46 FF 00 26 FF 00 09
02 91 02 C0 C0

001:002:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631048936.555830
05 01 09 02 A1 01 09 01 A1 00 05 09 19 01 29 05
15 00 25 01 95 05 75 01 81 02 95 01 75 03 81 03
05 01 09 38 15 81 25 7F 75 08 95 01 81 06 05 0C
0A 38 02 95 01 81 06 75 08 95 01 81 03 05 01 09
30 09 31 15 00 26 FF 7F 35 00 46 FF 7F 75 10 95
02 81 02 C0 C0

N64 USB controller (on Amazon as Classic N64 Controller, SAFFUN N64 Wired USB PC Game pad
Results:
001:007:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631049138.061811
05 01 09 05 A1 01 15 00 25 01 35 00 45 01 75 01
95 0D 05 09 19 01 29 0D 81 02 95 03 81 01 05 01
25 07 46 3B 01 75 04 95 01 65 14 09 39 81 42 65
00 95 01 81 01 26 FF 00 46 FF 00 09 30 09 31 09
32 09 35 75 08 95 04 81 02 06 00 FF 09 20 09 21
09 22 09 23 09 24 09 25 09 26 09 27 09 28 09 29
09 2A 09 2B 95 0C 81 02 0A 21 26 95 08 B1 02 0A
21 26 91 02 26 FF 03 46 FF 03 09 2C 09 2D 09 2E
09 2F 75 10 95 04 81 02 C0

001:002:000😃ESCRIPTOR 1631049138.069386
05 01 09 02 A1 01 09 01 A1 00 05 09 19 01 29 05
15 00 25 01 95 05 75 01 81 02 95 01 75 03 81 03
05 01 09 38 15 81 25 7F 75 08 95 01 81 06 05 0C
0A 38 02 95 01 81 06 75 08 95 01 81 03 05 01 09
30 09 31 15 00 26 FF 7F 35 00 46 FF 7F 75 10 95
02 81 02 C0 C0

Generic Nintendo Switch Controller via USB cable (on Amazon this is sold as a CLEVO Switch Controller) - this controller intermittently halts the Orange Pi (every second or two).
Results: will have to come back to this later. I'm having difficulty attaching to this Linux virtual machine...and my Linux skills suck 🙁

I have a couple of Xbox One/Series wired controllers at home, but I wont' be back there until Wednesday.

Thank you, everyone!

uli

painintheworld @uli advised to go to a Linux terminal and run sudo usbhid-dump. Below are the results:

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. It would also be good to know how well (or not) each of these devices work.

(Don't hold your breath for a fix, though, because I have quite a bit of (paid) work to do in the next weeks...)

MC10Guru

Ahoy,
I have quite a few USB gamepads including wired and wireless. Do you have the program your using to test them? If so I could try a few tests on them. I can run EngineBASIC on a Tauon PC-1, OPi PC and a Libre Tritium ALL-H3-CC. Mostly I use the Tauon with the built-in keyboard for simplicity. I have a 4-port Atolla USB 3 powered hub.
daveyb

painintheworld

I don't have the program on the microSD card at home, unfortunately MC10Guru . It was the simplest of programs, as in it just polled the gamepad and printed to screen. Something like this:

100 SCREEN 13 110 WHILE INKEY$="" 120 PRINT PAD(0) 130 WEND

The only other thing I have tried it with is the Shmup demo game Uli wrote.

One controller, I can't remember which at this moment, does register an upper left diagonal movement and nothing else. As in when I try it in Shmup, the character goes to the upper left and stays and no other movements will register. Same thing with Opi PC and Opi Lite versions. My Tauon PC should be here any day; as soon as it comes I will give it a go. Will order one of the Libre boards later on tonight 🙂

I was digging through some old PC stuff looking for an old, low DPI mouse, when I came across one of the Microsoft boomerang style gamepads. Will give it a go later on Friday.

Whilst testing mice this evening, I did notice that an old (early 2000s vintage) USB mouse I was using wouldn't register at all, in either of the three USB ports. It worked fine when plugged into a PC...BUT!...looking at the power draw on it it said 250 milliamps. The other mice and the trackball I've tried were all only 50ma. Maybe the Opi USB ports can't output the required current? Will try a powered hub with it Friday evening.

Thank you for your help!

painintheworld

uli I will have to go back through the tests this weekend...but only one of the controllers did anything. Whether playing Shmup or just polling the controller, the only thing that worked was an instant upper left diagonal movement - which would not go away, even using the virtual pad keys on the keyboard.

Make that money, uli 🙂

I have the Tauon PC on the way and have a Libre H3 SBC that will be delivered Monday.

If there is a specific controller that would work for me, I am all ears and have my wallet open 🙂

MC10Guru

Ahoy,
The weekend is nearly here and I may have more time then. I will try your program with various gamepads and give some results for you. BTW with mice, gamepads & keyboards they tended to mimic the previous sytem drivers before they used the newer systems. So game controllers went from gameport to (maybe) serial to USB regardless of connector. I've run into this with ps2 to USB keyboard adapters.
daveyb

MC10Guru

Ahoy,
I tried the short program on my Tauon with no real results. It prints a line of "0" on the screen. No controller was recognized at all. On my powered hub and directly on the USB connector (USB1) I tried:
Generic NES Wired: nothing
Trooper VR Wired: nothing
Generic SNES Wireless: dongle not recognized, no link w/controller
Vtech PS-style Wired: nothing
The keyboard reads no value in the program. I just quits with "OK" when you press "ANYKEY" (look it up) 😉
This is the point in Linux where I do a "lsusb" to see if the contollers are even on the USB bus. I admit I'm at a loss.
Sincerely, daveyb

painintheworld

Thank you, daveyb 🙂

My Tauon's tracking info was updated on Saturday to say that it had been delivered on the 7th, in Oregon. I'm in Western North Carolina 🙁 I did order the Libre H3 chipset SBC you have mentioned and it is supposed to arrive Wednesday. I need to get over to our woodworking shop at my mother's house and start on the retro luggable computer for the BASIC Engine NG, Color Maximite, Color Maximite 2, and ??)

MC10Guru

Ahoy,
Before you contact eBay write to the seller and let them know about the mixup. Mr. Volodymyr Mishyn (the designer & owner) should let you know that it will be sent and give you new tracking info when it ships. I already have a Tauon and am buying a second one right now. A similar thing happened to me last week on the 7th (but I actually got a $10 USB keyboard shipped from Elmhurst IN). However, I trust the company and the designer so you will get it.

As for the Libre Tritium H3, did you buy the large (blue) heat sink also? The board runs ice cold with that heatsink, no fan needed as it covers both the SOC and the RAM.

Both of these computers run EngineBASIC NG great. I use my Tauon mostly for the convenience. Hook up the included mouse & power supply, connect the monitor (either HDMI or Composite) and its a complete system. In the Tauon OS Android it will mirror the OS on both monitors at the same time. That doesn't work for EB NG. But if you boot EB NG w/o HDMI it goes to composite (for that real 1980s feel)

Make sure you check out the Tauon PC-1 forum. I'm over there too, same user name.
Sincerely, daveyb

painintheworld

Mr. Mishyn responding very quickly to my private message on eBay. They had put a couple or three up for auction, instead of Buy It Now, and I got it for $28 plus shipping - which was more than the purchase price. I hope they get reimbursed for their costs...if it was the freight company's fault. He promptly sent another tracking number, so I am do believe it will come. I was burned by a former member of this small bulletin board last year, being swindled out of a Color Maximite and Color Maximite 2. An old high school friend lives in New Mexico and has invited me many times to come stay in his camper in the high desert of NM...so if I do that I'm going to stop by Arizona on the way and see if I can find the guy that swindled me 🙂

No, sir, no heatsink was purchase with the Libre; it was just the Libre and a cheap black case. The case came with a couple of small heatsinks that I may use sometime or the other. I'm not sure about anything other than the superficial stuff that I can see, but it seems like the Libre is a much nicer board than the Orange Pis that I have. I will take your advise and procure a heatsink, but do not see a blue one right off. Most of the stuff I've been fiddling with on the NG I will make the first line CPUSPEED 99 (at least on the Orange Pi versions this has proven to be the fastest), so it won't hurt to keep her cool 🙂

I'm quite banged up physically, having had 43 surgeries this century from three rounds of the big C (mostly spinal, hip area related), heart surgeries, etc. - so I try to take the wife to work as often as I am able. We live almost adjacent to the Blue RIdge Parkway in the mountains of North Carolina in the United States (in case you're not American). Until I get to the woodworking shop and get to making my luggable, I've take one of my laptop lapdesks and fastened an 11.6" LCD monitor to the lapdesk, fastened a LiPo 12 volt 6000 mAh/5volt battery to it, and use a killer little mechanical (brown switches) keyboard from Prime Day. It works well enough, but I want to mess about with the Color Maximite 1 and 2 some more (the monitor has HDMI, composite, VGA, and another composite capable BNC jack) and have it all in a one piece luggable, suitcase type "laptop" 🙂 So I will take her to work when I can, jump over to the Parkway and get up to above a mile and do some easy (relatively speaking, a walk in the park for most) walking. When that is done, I will eat lunch and then mess about with the BASIC Engine OG or NG a little/play about on a laptop/watch a movie/livestream/etc. My brother was given a couple of new riding lawnmower sized batteries (not lithium, sadly) and he gave them to me. I had a nice buck converter, a nice little inverter, etc - so I put together a quick and dirty power source for my after walk leisure electronic stuff 🙂

Back to the NG and gamepads: for kicks and giggles, I did try three gamepads out on the Libre H3 today and expectedly got the same results as before. If anyone happens to see this and has a known working gamepad, please post the name and I will order up a couple of them 😃

Thank you for your help!!

davegardnerisme

I’ve ordered a couple of random USB game pads. Will report back once I get them!

painintheworld

Thank you, Dave! I found an old Xbox 360 I had forgotten about and it needs a new controller. I might as well just buy a USB corded version while I am at it 🙂 Will find a different style USB to Playstation controller adapter, too. The PS controller works very well with the original BASIC Engine, so having one function with the NG would be icing on the cake.

davegardnerisme

First one doesn't do anything ☹️

It's an "8BitDo SN30 Pro USB gamepad". https://www.8bitdo.com/sn30-pro-usb-gamepad/

painintheworld

davegardnerisme It will be a nice gamepad to use in an emulator 🙂

One of us will get the right one sooner or later 🙂

davegardnerisme

OK I've got a winner! This works fine (testing so far with DO:PRINT PAD(0):LOOP)

miadore 2 x Retro Classic USB Controller SNES Gamepad, Wired SNES USB Controller Mac Controller for PC Game Windows Raspberry Pi Controller Pads(Multi-color Keys)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N59IUV5

painintheworld

davegardnerisme Thank you, Dave! I do not see that exact model on the U.S. version of Amazon, but do see that brand, as well as an exact duplicate of the model you posted, but under a different brand - it is supposed to be here October 7th. The same brand, but different color, of the one in your link will be here on the 3rd 🙂

painintheworld

You did pick a winner! I bought the closest thing available from Amazon's American site. The only difference I can tell is that these are gray, instead of black. They work great!
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U.S. Amazon link [ 2 Pack USB Controller for SNES Retro Gaming, miadore USB Classic Gamepad Joypad Gamestick for Windows PC MAC Linux Raspberry Pi 3 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071KQN1BP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apan_glt_fabc_2VJ190F329M8YR8BFA8H?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 ](https://)